It finally happened to me….June 23rd, 2010 @ 5:36 am
So after three and a half years of nursing in public without incident….I experienced what far too many women have experienced in the western world. The “confrontation”
The sad thing was..it happened in a place where I would have least expected it. It happened at my parents church. It was just at the start of the service here in the States. (this is after three and a half years of active church involvement in the UK and South Africa..so my experience up to this point has been nothing but positive)
I was in the back corner, nursing my 7 month old little boy when one of the elder’s wives came up to me and said “do you have a shawl or something you can put on?” I said “no I don’t actually” I couldn’t believe this was happening. I will spare you the blow by blow of the conversation but I was basicaly asked to “consider the rest of the people there over my own right to nurse in public” When I pointed out that I was not even showing anything she said something along the lines of “yes…but,just the fact that you’re doing it” whaaaaaaaaat? Again. shock. My only response was to say “that is just really really sad that people here feel that way”
I walked to one of the sunday school rooms, feeling a bit shocked and shakey…I couldn’t believe it. When I sat down to finnish feeding Judah I just started to cry. I really don’t know why it affected me so much…but it did. About ten minutes later this woman came and found me and was wanting to talk to me and make sure there wasn’t anything “funny between us” I actually felt sorry for her. She really did not have a clue who she was talking to. She knew my parents but she didn’t know anything about me.
In our exchange, I was confronted with the two big buzz phrases that some Christians use on this issue.
1. Modesty and causing a brother to stumble (romans 14:29)
2. Causing offense and how we’re not supposed to do that.
I managed to communicate some points to her and ask some questions.
The first being, if people have an issue with breastfeeding, even if it’s not showing anything, why would a shawl help? She then told me that many of the women in the church have issues with other women breastfeeding in the main meeting, full stop. That their husbands are uncomfortable with it. I asked why? are they worried their husbands are looking at other women’s breasts? no no, nothing like that…they just feel strongly about modesty.
Ahah. There you have it. Modesty. I am not going to even go there right now and explain how I feel about that particlar issue…and how that word is used…but I did ask her this.
What is modesty? Is it being covered head to toe?? No of course not..that’s extreme right??? Well…where do you draw the line then? Do you let culture define it? Fasion trends? literal passages from scripture? (braids are not allowed then)
It seems as though Jesus spent a lot of time talking about the heart. He was very condeming of those who trusted in simply following the letter of the law, and seemed a lot more concerned about what was going on in someone’s heart. So when it comes to modesty. I believe it is more about an attitude you have in your heart, not always about what people see on the outside.
For example, if you see a woman sitting in a coffee shop, feeding her baby…and the baby suddenly pulls of the breast and decides to look around, and you get a flash of the woman’s breast. Is she being immodest? No, she’s probaby mortified and does what she can to cover herself up before anyone else gets an eyefull of a breast that she is most likely self concious of and not particularily proud of. Is she more modest if she’s not attractive and her breast isn’t exactly appealing? Is she less modest if she happens to be beautiful as well? How do we measure modesty? On how beautiful and appealing someone happens to be?
If we are talking about immodesty, as regards to dress, to me, the term would refer to someoe who trusts in their body, and uses it to get something they want….compliments, attention, love, sex, admiration, power, whatever that happens to be, but for crying out loud, NOT to a mother showing a bit of skin while she feeds her child.
It makes me wonder if people simply have a huge issue with a child sucking on a breast…if the act itself is what is unappealing and makes them cringe. I wonder if certain christians are using the ”modesty” excuse for the fact that the idea of a child nursing is in itself off putting. If that is the case, then people need to really search their hearts and ask themselves what in them makes natural function like feeding a child so uncomfortable to them. If they can not get over the oversexualization of the breasts to accept their first and primary function, or if they struggle with lust, and the mere sight of a breast sends them into a tizzy, then to me, the problem is with THEM, not the mother nursing.
They have options. They can look away. They can simply not come. Do these same people not go to the supermarket during the summer when skimpy clothes are everywhere and breastfeeding women are protected by the law? I suppose then they could pull up the ”but this is a church” argument. To which I say…the church is not a place or a building, it is the body of Christ gathered together, and it is meant to be a safe haven for all to come no matter what. When Jesus was on earth, he hung out with the poor, and the down and outs, and those with bad reputations….he managed to hang around prosititues and never sin…and we know he reached out to them and they felt nothing but love from Him. He went for their hearts…and he won them. But that’s nothing to do with breastfeeding in public really. I get the impression that breastfeeding was a non issue back then….as it should be now. The Bible mentions it in the most normal terms possible. It’s simply what mothers did for their children, not only nourishing them physically, but creating a bond that is compared to the love that God has for us.
God designed our bodies to feed our children..and it must make Him really sad to see a culture that has allowed such a normal everyday invaluable tool in mothering, undervalued. So people may get defensive here and say “well it’s very much valued, but we shouldn’t have to look at it” or “it’s inappropriate to do in public” Sorry. It doesn’t wash. When a mother is told she needs to cover up she usually feels mortified, embarassed, ashamed, and like SHE has done something wrong. That’s not a way to value something.
If more teenagers and boys in particular were exposed to mothers nursing in public, it would become less of a taboo, and perhaps men and boys would start to recognize the primary function of the breasts, and perhaps girls would be more motivated to succeed at breastfeeding when their turn comes around. I’m so glad that if anything, my children will grow up knowing and experiencing first had the reason for breasts.
Not everyone who breastfeeds always does it discreatly 100% of the time. I admit there are times I have thrown some clothes without thinking on that are not totally condusive to feeding and suddenly found myself needing to nurse my baby. I’ll admit the previous Sunday this happened I was in a sun dress which isn’t the easiest to feed in…maybe not the best choice..but I think we mothers need a bit of grace and don’t need to be jumped on the moment we show too much skin. We’re not trying to make anyone stumble. We’re mothering our children. It’s sad that people immediately get a bit wierded out by seeing breasts used for their primary purpose. Why should we have to be bannished to another room and miss out on the service because our children need us?
If men are struggling with lust, we can help them out by not parading half naked in front of them, but….they need to train their eyes. In this day and age they simply will not escape skin exposed to them. If the bit of skin they see when a mother feeds their child is really causing their minds to spin out of control…then they should look away, and also seriously consider never going out in public again, especially in the summertime. If the fact that a child is breastfeeding makes a man uncomfortable…even if it’s covered up…that’s pretty sick and sad and he should pray and ask God to heal his warped mindset on the matter.
It’s like in China..when they used to bind women’s feet….feet back then were the big turn on…the value of feet for sexual attraction was valued more than the ability for women to be able to walk, and many times women could barely walk as a result. So what would this church have done in ancient China? not let women walk in front of men? So now breasts serve a double purpose….and the culture’s value of them for sexual purposes seems to have trumped their primary purpose and made mothers who are using them in that way feel uncomfortable unless they are hidden away out of sight. In China the women were cripped by their practices…..and I wonder how much our society today has suffered because of our culture’s oversexualization of the breasts.
I realize I’ve touched on the larger issue of breastfeeding in public…but my main purpose was to address the issue with certain fellow Christians who seem to be using verses about not offending, not causing people to stumble, and modesty…..in a way that in the long run, does nothing to empower mothers, and normalize the normal way to feed children. It simply reinforces the warped mentality of the western world….and validates it.
When you start making rules in a church about breastfeeding, you’re heading down a legalistic path…and not winning any hearts. Sure you may have the odd mother (like me) who shows a bit too much skin one sunday because breastfeeding is now such a normal part of her life, she sometimes puts on a dress without thinking that was not made with lactating mothers in mind. But most of the time…we’re pretty good about it…because honestly…the last thing we want anyone to see is our post pregnancy tummy….so the odd indiscreat nursing episode is in no way justified as a reason to make women who are feeding their children feel ashamed, embarassed, and like they are doing something wrong…or causing someone else to sin. As far as causing offence…I just don’t think this issue is one that any sane person has a legitimate reason to be offended about.
Breastfeeding · Faith · Mothering

Bobbie LaVictor
said,
June 23, 2010 at 7:16 am
April!
You are a LEGEND! Thank you for speaking up! Honestly, what is wrong with people in this country! I have been accosted in this manner numerous times . . . traveled all around the world and this nation of so-called freedom is the only place where I am apparently a total freak!
Thank you for standing up for us!
Bobbie
Francesca Edwards
said,
June 23, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Grrrrrr!
April I’m so sorry you had such a negative experience, I would have cried too if someone had spoken to me like that. Well done for making a stand, you must have been boiling inside!
I do think it’s a cultural thing (although I must admit when we were in America I only ever had one postitive remark about feeding a toddler and a condescending remark about feeding a baby “You must be a martyr to feed that long” (Emma was 8 months old!) but I think in Santa Monica anything goes! The primary purpose of breasts is to feed children, and in most cultures they have no secondary purpose. (Did you know the Victorians covered table legs so as not to turn men on?!!) Funny how that lady talked about you not having a right to nurse in public…what about Judah’s right to nurse in public? He’s part of the congregation too isn’t he?
And lastly (to finish my rant) Jesus almost certainly nursed for a couple of years, probably longer.
Francesca x
Niki Stoddard
said,
June 25, 2010 at 10:35 am
I think this backs up my thoughts on faith and church going. Some people attend church and consider themselves good christians – but are they? Some people do not attend church and are a lot more ‘christian’, tolerant and kind in their treatment of others. I (on a good day!) am the latter, I don’t have a problem with christianity or people who attend church but I do have a problem with mean hearted and superficial people. Some of which you appear to have encountered (and so have I in the past). The men need to get hold of their lust issues and the women need to be less insecure. Keep doing what you’re doing – it’s the natural and right thing to do! x
Anonymous
said,
June 25, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I am saddened that you have jumped to such conclusions about people you don’t know. While I understand your stance on breastfeeding, are we as Christians not also to be “all things to all people”? Are we not to “remove the speck from our own eye before pointing out the plank in your brother’s”?
I am sorry for your experiance.
I am also sorry that you chose to use your interpretation of it as a soapbox to ballast the Church. While She is not yet perfect, She is God’s sweetheart. Maybe instead of ranting and raving on a blog, you could have used the opportunity to truly seek to share your heart on the issue with the woman you are so offended by, and to try to hear her heart in it as well.
There are also other matters to take into consideration such as culture, which you touched on, but is a much bigger deal than something people can just get over.
april
said,
June 27, 2010 at 2:03 am
I was not “blasting the church” I am a strong Christian and have had nothing but positive experiences in various churches on this issue…I was addressing a particular attitude I found in THIS particular church.
Jon Hunter
said,
June 27, 2010 at 3:13 am
OK time for the silent husband to speak ….
Firstly my stance is not as breast feeding evanglist or even some-one who is naturally comfortable with breastfeeding, before the birth of my first child id probably say I was massivley uncomfotable with breastfeeding in public.
However the fact of the matter is breastfeeding is good physically, emotionally and I dare say spiritually for our children.
Our cultural queesyness about breatsfeeding should in no way affect the capabilities of mothers to be the best parents they can be.
If we are to be good parents we need to be encouraged not discouraged by the church to give our childrem every benefit god equips us to give them.
Asking mothers to leave the room, wear a blanket and being embaressed about being good mothers is sheer folly for the church(general not particular).
As this matter has gone on (and I will imagine will continue to go on for a few days yet), my views have moved from this being people being just natuarlly uncomfy as I still am sometimes with public breatfeeding. To people having their thinking upside down and getting a real religous spirit in leaping to the defense of undefensable.
The stated belief that breatsfeeding is a sexual distraction to men leads me to believe that those who hold those ideas, don’t really understand men. As with most things in life context is everything, and in the context of breastfeeding boobs are not really sexually appealing.
I also hold that the mentality that holds breatsfeeding as an unclean or immoral act does not come from a biblical view of holiness but is routed in a stoic greek worldview that would see anything physical as ‘sinful’ and things spitual and pure as being ‘meta physical’. The hebrew bible values the person and life much more wholistically as body soul and spirit being equally valuable and is much more complete than our modern western worldview does.
I feel that my wife has been labelled by some as imodest, divisive and not loving of the church. This offends me as I know her very well and that none of those are true.
There are things ongoing that have caused us a little further distress, but im going to wait a couple of days for them to sort themslves out before commenting on them.
mom
said,
June 27, 2010 at 5:49 am
To anonymous
Read the blog again. The “soapbox: was not against the church, but rather an attitude held by some people within the church.
Derek
said,
July 9, 2010 at 6:55 pm
In most parts of Africa, breastfeeding in public is normal… when preaching in Malawi for example, the women there will breastfeed without using a shawl, without concealing it, without shame and during the meetings… its natural and our over sensitive sense of ‘decency’ in the western world is often unbiblical. If some woman’s husband has a problem with it maybe he should work on why its a problem for him. Anyhow its a great blog April… bless u guys!
Lisa
said,
August 8, 2010 at 4:12 pm
wow!! I fortunately have never received anything but odd glances of discomfort. I must say, I was blessed to hear the “father’s point of view”. I am offended when people sexualize breastfeeding. It feels as if they are also sexulaizing my child and I take it as offensively. I am doing what nature and GOD intended my breasts to be used for. To nurture and give life and health to my child. Our culture of sexualizing breasts is not from God and people of the church should especially know that.
If the act of me providing nourishment for my child makes a man have sexual thoughts…I agree, the problem is with him. I would fear for his thoughts in public or even at church for that matter with the 15 year old girls wearing clothes a bit more skimpy than should be. (which in my opinion has to be much more sexy than the way I look when discreetly feeding my baby).
I know not everyone will ever understand, and unfortunately, our culture is only just beginning to rediscover the art and value of breastfeeding. It was long forgotten in the days where smoking was thought to be sexy and women got vacuum cleaners, TVs and FORMULA. When people started always looking for easier ways to do things, which we now know is not always the best or healthiest way.
Also, there comes a time when children do not want to be covered with a shawl and that would only lead to crying and drawing more attention to you.
I have a co-worker who I tease because she is not a mother and has preconceived ideas about breastfeeding and thinks it should be a “private” moment. I tell her that I will be happy to breastfeed my baby in the bathroom as long as she comes and eats her lunch in the stall next to me.
Our culture NEEDS change and there are MANY things that changing this culture could accomplish. Parents can become parents again. Mothers can have bonds with their children. People will not automatically rely on wic and welfare to provide needs, and leaving children with grandparents will not be an option. Some food allergies will be avoided. Overall health of children will increase which will decrease overall health cost. In MOST cases there will be at least a small time frame of birth control achieved. I actually wrote a paper for The Journal of Pediatrics that goes into many more benefits that promoting breastfeeding cannot also provide out children, but overall culture.
On a side note, I can say that all statistics say that women who were older and more educated when they had children were more likely to breastfeed, and that less educated and younger mothers were more likely to rely on formula. So take that as a compliment, April.